The most affordable of the both-cars will cost even cheaper if you look for it second-hand.
Fiat Ducato on the secondary Fiat Ducato market is represented mainly by second-generation cars, which are still being manufactured by Sollers at the Elabuga plant in Tatarstan. According to the analysis agency Autostat (see para. According to the Russian Ministry of Public Affairs, as of September 2010, there were about 18 thousand of them in Russia. The uniqueness of the situation with Ducato is that the assembly of cars in Russia started in May 2008, although two years earlier in Italy the release of the last generation model, which we never officially sold, to avoid the demand for the old one. Thus, the proposed release of the 2006-2008 machine could be imported on a case-by-case basis by "third" Ducato, and, surprisingly, they are asked to do less for such a car than for the "old" issues of 2010 and 2011. If they offer a car specifically in 2007 (we have 25 registered units), this is, without any doubt, the latest model. Automobiles produced by Italian production from 2003 to 2008, i.e., second-generation streetliners, are also on the secondary market. They are distinguished by a more careful assembly, high-quality painting of the body and a wide range of engines. The second generation Ducato second-generation Ducato is the second generation Ducato Ducato second-generation passenger (X2/44) passenger version (factory X2/44) produced at the SEVEL factory in Italy from 1994 to 2006 together with the same Peugeot Boxer and Citroen Jumper, and the last three years in Russia. It is possible to distinguish between native and elabuga assembly cars by VIN-number: in the first case it starts on ZFA, in the second Z7G. In addition, Ducato is gathering in Brazil and Turkey-for their domestic markets, and the probability of this exotica in Russia is negligible. For the "second" Ducato, there are three variants: 2850, 3200 and 3700 \   mm, the roofs with a height of 2150, 2470, 2725, and 2860 \   mm (in Elabuga doing only low and medium) and several assignmentsMore than all-celonmetal vans, the cargo of 6-or 9-local "combe" trucks are occasionally caught, and the owners of minibus taxis periodically dump the worn 15-and 18-local Ducato buses on the market. In Russia only all-metal modifications with low and middle roofs are produced, so if the photo in the advertisement shows a very rare side truck or chassis with "box", it is a native Italian assembly. The carriers, who are important to travel to the centres of major cities, purchase vans with a short base and a low roof-carrying capacity of only 975 kg at the volume of cargo bay 7.5 m3. Middle-and long-time Russian Ducato only goes with average roof, their carrying capacity and volume, respectively, 1350 kg at 10 m3 and 1430 kg at 12 m3. The capacity of even higher Italian assembly machines will reach up to 1505 kg at 14 m3 of useful volumeThe total mass of the "second" Ducato is in any case to be 3.5 tons. In the notation of the modifications, a two-digit number indicates the total mass of the vehicle in hundreds of kilograms. For example, Ducato 29 is a shorthand with a full mass of 2875 kg, Ducato 33 is the average 33-kilogram version and finally Ducato Maxi 35-3.5-ton machine with a long base. The linear dimensions of the Fiat Ducato vans are different modifications of the Constructive Ducato-the transfer of a single engine with a transverse engine and a bearing body. The advantages of such a linkage are the low level of the van or the passenger compartment, as well as a good snow-covered road. In the second generation range of motor vehicles, the 2-liter petrol engine and four diesel engines from 2.0 to 2.8 l (see below). (see table). However, in Russia there is only one of them-2,3-litre 110-strong diesel-of the firm Sofim. All the engines-16-valve ears with a actuator have been preprinted with a jagged beltIn the system of diesel-turbocharging with interculer and Boshevsk fuel injection, under pressure of 1600 bar from Common Rail ramp. The gearbox will almost always be the 5-speed mechanical, but the theoretical possibility to meet the 2.8-litre Ducato market in Europe with a 4-speed hydraulic mechanical "machine" is still present. Full version of Ducato versions with the French Drangel transmission is rather rare, though they are produced in Elabuga. Opinions Sergei Petruin, technical director of Mega Motors Company, official dealer Fiat:-Most of the strikers on the secondary market of floats Fiat Ducato-relatively recent copies of the Russian assembly with mileage of up to 100,000. km Therefore, looking at the car more often reveals minor defects, the elimination of which will not require large investments. It may be necessary to replace the master hydro-actuator cylinder of the clutch, usually in the winter when the liquid is thickening, and the pressure is higher than the design pressure. It will not be necessary to test the fan heater in all modes: it is not uncommon for the ballast resistors to be overheated by the motor speed control, and the contacts of the "stove" power connector are oxidiated from their heat. Another minor malfunction is the engine temperature of the engine. It's easy to get off the battery for a couple of minutes. Problems with the engine in general and with its separate systems, such as fuel equipment, Ducato are not common, however, in the 2008-09 cars that have worked in the northern regions and the Ural region, careful diagnostics of the powertrain are recommendedThe fact is that the first installers of the Russian Ducato were often frozen by the water condensation in the crankcase ventilation system, "pierces" the front garden of the crankshaft, and the engine lost much of the oil. This first of all was the turbocharger, the premature failure of which is possible after the sale of the car by the first owner. Another sign of the coming turbine replacement is the presence of oil in the interculer or in the intake manifold, which can also be determined by the pre-sale inspection of the car. The special theme is the saturation of the car in the post-warranty period, typical of Ducato because we often buy this model for the change of "GAZeli" and treat it the same way as a domestic car. In the garage it is usually limited to oil and filters, and for example, there are few people looking at the brake mechanisms. If you do not clean the guide subports periodically, do not check the integrity of the compaction, the mechanisms, the overheating, and the subsequent failure of the node to be replaced. We often come to the repair of Ducato with the drum back brakes, where the customers were unable to remove the drum-pad on their own. It is necessary to drill the hole (our mechanics will know exactly where it is) in the rear brake mechanism to bring the wheels up by turning the screw on the adjustment bar, and only after that the drum can be removed. The hole is then closed by a rubber seal, and then it will be useful for setting the gap between the beads and the drum during the operation. Do not be surprised to see the trot of the front step bearing on such a running machine-it is impossible to replace it without a well-equipped serviceFor example, the press with the effort of 10 tons, which it is required to press out of the hub, according to the factory guidelines for repairs, did not have enough-it was necessary to purchase 30 tons of equipment. It is also difficult to replace the worn clutch of the worn clutch in the garage conditions-to remove the KP, you need a special set of plugs for the hymn hymn. The Ducato has its back shock absorbers. When buying a car with mileage, attention should be paid to the presence of a fluid, and when the car is checked, it will listen to whether there are no knocks in the back shock absorbers. There are cases where there is an arrhythmic noise in the work of the KP after a sudden turn-on, in a neutral gear. Corrective failure by replacing the backgear intermediate gear, the back-turn power-on plug and the first and second transmission synchronizersOf course, this is not cheap, yes, and spare parts, so I suggest you carefully check the work of the KP before buying a car. The four-wheel-drive Ducato Kuzovy variants of the front suspension are collected on the copycat and include the telescopic pillars of McPherson, forged transverse levers and a torso stabilizer. Back-basking in single-leaf springs. The steering gear is a twilight. The brakes on long-distance versions of the disc around the circle, near the short-and middle-bastic backsides of the drum. Localization of production of components for Russian assembly cars has already exceeded 40%: from Europe to Elabuga mainly high-tech aggregates and knots. Adapting to our operating environment includes installing a battery pack (88 A). a capacity greater than in Europe, the generator, as well as the protection of the crankcase and the autonomous engine preheater from the company WebastoThe latter is designed only to pre-empt the engine cold below the operating temperature during the road into a severe cold-it is automatically activated at antifreeze temperature minus 5 degrees and is switched off when 70 ° C. is reached. However, in service centers, there is a methodology for turning the preheater into a fully fledged preheater-an additional circulatory pump and electronic timer need to be put in place. The third generation (X2/50) Ducato is identical to the same factory in Val-Sangro today's Peugeot Boxer and Citroen Jumper models, but instead of the motors of the Puma family used on the "French" (and also on the loonliners of Ford), Fiat has its own line of engines. This is an aggregate of the Iveco firm Sofim (see annex). (see table). The 2,2-liter and 3-liter ones are equipped with a chain wheel drive, and the 1-liter, 3-liter-on-leather. And, of course, the engines of the new Ducato, unlike the Russian one, correspond to the norms of Euro 4The gear boxes are mechanical and automatic, no longer available. The 5-speed is placed on 2.2-liter, 100-strong versions, and the rest are equipped with 6-ramp. In the third generation, a number of modifications to the lifting capacity and volume of the bodywork were extended-another Maxi, 4-ton, with index 40. That is, the carrying capacity of the top version reached 1,820 kg and useful space-17 cubic meters. The rear suspension has been reinforced: the average basecar machines have been dressings, and on the long-acne-two-leaf springs. Brabanna brakes are abolished once and for all. The electrical equipment has been considerably complicated-the third generation model is multiplexed, and the possibilities of computer diagnostics have become much more widely available-it is now carried out via the Internet, connecting to a Europe-wide Fiat databaseThe second generation of the Ducato is, of course, simpler than the modern model, but compared to the GAZeli's cabin, very ergonomic and comfortable. Opinions Igor Baranov, Deputy Director General of Trans-B LLC, Moscow:-Our company has been working for more than 10 years on the market of urban passenger transport by buses of small and medium capacity. Based on the specifics of the tasks involved, we use different types of rolling stock. 15-local Fiat Ducato assembly "Sollers" is one of the types of machines that we use. In 2010, we purchased 24 such vehicles-two equal parties. Today, these cars have a mileage of 80,000. Km to 40k km In general, the car is reliable, special claims for the quality of aggregates and knots are not present. For example, one replacement of the clutch at 80,000 tonnes could be attributed to major breakdowns. km. It was rejoyable that the flywheel was not necessary-it was not necessary-on this engine, unlike the motors of many similar busses, the one-mass, which defines its durability. In addition, we cannot fail to mention the obvious sins of the construction. For example, the 15th place is very uncomfortable, and the passenger is practically impossible to get there. The main drawback of Fiat Ducato cars is the high cost of spare parts (which is more expensive than the other parts of the competition) and, which is particularly frustrating, their absence. For example, the arrowheads need to be replaced every 20,000. There are no dealers in the dealer's warehouses. The radiators of the saloon are constantly flowing-they are not available either. Two times a year, the clutch and anchor rollers of the sliding door of the sliding door are again the problemThe length of these parts is 1.5-3 months, and these are simply equipment and, unfortunately, losses that should be taken into account in the calculation of the "cost of ownership" of a commercial vehicle. Comparable Ducato by this parameter with buses of other brands, we can say that, for example, Peugeot Boxer is cheaper. Examples of proposals from the FIAT Ducato (Euro-4) vans where to buy Oddly, the choice of used Ducato on the market is very modest, although the scale of this model in Russia should determine the opposite. The point is that the moment of massive reseller resusctions by the carriers-machines in 2008 and 2009, not to mention the more recent, continue to work on the lines. However, the total size of the park, including the [ [ Ducato]] Italian assembly, imported informally, such that if they wanted to find a machine in a suitable business state, it would not be difficultTrue, there will be a huge number of private announcements-hundreds of car dealerings all over the country buy the new Ducato exactly the same as the "giggles", and then resell them disguised as private individuals. As a result, the market has a paradoxical situation, with a mileage of 100 thousand miles per year. The company offers the same 650,000 rubles as the "nil" Ducato 2010, which has been dusty in the septic tank as a sub-component of the iron of capital (see below). (see table). Hence, the time to buy used Ducato on the domestic market has not yet arrived-today it is more profitable to buy this model without mileage. And such offers are dozens of times more than used copies. The price correction may be possible in a year and a half, when the three-year-olds will give 300-400,000 euros. -Ruble. And, of course, the massive emission of the scond-henda is expected when Sollers will terminate the Ducato output in Russia definitively"The third" Ducato with a bodywork can be bought only abroad, if you need the last generation car with huge headlights. Then only to the secondary market. It is true that there are few "third" machines there, which makes it an idea to go to Europe for such a trip. Even closer is Germany, where the Italian flood-skiers are too many. True, the economic benefits of such a taint are dubious. Ducato with small mileage and in excellent condition in transfer to our money costs about 600,000 in Europe. The total amount of the money will be increased by one and a half. For this sum, it is possible to buy a completely new third generation car at our car dealership with a different logo on the grille. This will be the Peugeot Boxer, not the cheapest, but the length-aze, 1.5 ton with 120-strong motor and 6-speed CP. The second generation of Ducato's proposed in Europe can never be dreamed of: the import into Russia of equipment that does not comply with the norms of Euro 4 is prohibited. For the same reason, it is left behind the giant market of cheap Ducato market in Ukraine in the early 2000s. The car of the Russian assembly is not to be found there by day with fire, but Italian-apparently not visible. But they are only interested in the parts of the interest. Thus, the main (and very tough) competition of used Ducato on our market is the new machines: in the lowest price segment it is "GAZel", in the average-Elabuga Ducato without mileage, and in the upper-French "twin brothers" of the Italian assembly. Fiat Ducato Opinions Sergei Ilyinskiy, press attaché of the FIAT company "Sollers":-Delays in delivery of spare parts to service centers of Fiat dealers were temporary in nature and were connected with the move of the central warehouse of spare parts from the Moscow region to Zavolzhye. Today, the work of the warehouse is fully developed, and the term of delivery of the details, for example, for the Moscow region is usually not more than four days from the moment of the dealer's submission of the application. We continuously monitor the real exploitation of Ducato in Russia and make necessary changes to the construction of the car. In particular, there has been a significant decrease in the number of forks in the upper pillars-the supplier has eliminated the defect since November last year, and there are no more details from shipping carriers. The problem and the formation of ice cap in the crankcase ventilation system have received a method of modernization of the system: the heating unit is moved closer to the place of possible freezing of condensate, after which the car can be used in conditions of extremely low temperatures. By the way, the artificially inflated picture of the crankcase ventilation system caused, in the first place, the large fleet of Ducato of Russian production-more than 25 thousand automobiles. In fact, not more than 5% of them work in winter at temperatures below -30 ° C, the owners of the others, that is, the overwhelming majority of machines, the problem of freezing of the navel is not known. And I separately want to reassure all existing and future Fiat owners in Russia: the termination of the Sollers talks with Fiat means only the parties ' refusal to create a joint venture in Russia is no more than that. Our company will continue to fulfill all the obligations related to production, sales, services and supply of spare parts for Fiat Ducato in full volume. This will not in any way cause any inconvenience to our customers and partners, and the dealer network will continue its work in normal mode. The 270-degree door is a rare option in our market. Look at the two peculiarities of Ducato in that in the first two years of the issue, it was much (one and a half) cheaper than the closest rivals of the maquilong-market, and bought it mainly from the former newspapers. That is, not carriers, but private entrepreneurs for their own trade needs. Which means that by choosing Ducato in the secondary market, it is necessary to be ready for the fact that it is most likely to be a non-professional driver-with all the disastrous consequences. And that there was no hangar for the timely passage of the TVE. And the owner, like a small shopkeeper, will break the unsettled price in the hope of earning a few more times of transport. In such a situation, it is very important to draw up an impressive list of its innate and acquired defects during the examination of the car-to get the proud man from heaven to earth and convince him that he offers you practically a utility. Let' s start with the body. If we are talking about the 2008 Russian Ducato issue, you will have a large trump card-a large number of enamels, especially on the roof. It was not immediately good to paint in Elabuga, and the enamel simply collapsed from the ground. The roof usually does not overlap-with a stool next to the van, ask the salesman to make sure that his Ducato tops the whole rough, which requires a discount of 1000. e. for the services of the painters. Incidentally, the repainting that took place, easily identifiable by the difference in the sheen of the body panels, is also an argument for lowering the price: a three-year-old car has been bought with a native enamel. Be sure to inspect the machine from below, in particular, the longerons under the stern-they may be deformed. The reason is to move the 900-kilogram of goods to the base. Check the straight-out straightest of the back-suspension beam-all of a sudden she was bent over a hump of ice, a hind-turn taran? Ducato, who came from somewhere from under Vologda, could be from the "wedge" of the engine. Scenario: Route, minus thirty, ice cork in the sappoon, squeezed anal, oil on the road ... It is not exactly the right decision to stop when a control lamp is caught fire, so it is better to kill the engine than to freeze on the side of the road. Well, the buyer who saw the traces of the waterproof sealant on the motors is more reasonable to give up this option: why do you need an assembly of cottage industries if you have a lot of cars that nobody has been cajabating? By the way, by seeing a "upgraded" dealer system of crankcase ventilation in the form of a sapun hose-at Ducato, this is the most common way to prevent ice-traffic jabs,-also demand a discount on the adjustment of the car to the state, environmentally friendly condition. The regulations for the replacement of the details of the Ducato Ducato during the course, pay attention to the possible hum of the bearings of the front steps, which is more likely to be the right one, since when traveling in the interior you have to move to the side of the road. Seller say that the bearings of the bearings is almost impossible, and that you will be offered to replace it with the hub on the service-so it is often possible. At Ducato, working as a "minibus", naturally, we watch the sliding door-its fittings should be broken into sludge. In the case of "racing" mode, the engine shall be quickly worn without the need to check the compression of the engine (the device turns inverting instead of the light of the filament light). The service costs about 4000 roubles, but the capital will cost much more. Computer diagnostics of the Russian Ducato have little to say about the condition of the second-generation engine, unlike modern "third", by the current standards, it is simple as valenok, and their control units with special intelligence are not different. Particular attention is given to "shorty", that is, the easiest modifications. They are usually bought in order to be legally unlisted and to go where only the lightweight is allowed, and actually "burlout" in full program. That is, the machine can be broken down by way of running and worn on aggregates due to chronic overloading. The second generation, of course, is simpler than the modern model, but compared to the GAZeli's cabin, the very ergonomic and the comfort of the devices is informative and the sun does not shine on the bottom-box for things that should always be under the arm "The third" Ducato with bodywork can be bought only at the borders of the DucatoDoors, which opens up to 270 degrees, -rare in our market-in the rear suspension-Single-leaf springs on Scientblocks the non-original metallic protection of the crater is stronger than the original plastic arm of the front suspension lever to bend almost impossible to the fuel tank considerably above the front beaker of the front silencer-the silencer-autonomous preheater of the Webasto engine......................................... connector pins on which they can corrode, which leads to the end of the contact between the arrow and the arrow thumbprint-the original air filter 1310636080 Original fuel filter 0077363240 Original toothbrates 77364161 Original toothbric belt 0504076915 Steering gear is the weak place of the elabuga Ducato................................... and the main cylinders of the clutch of the clutch, which are regularly caled.......... and the shock absorbers of the back suspension dampers eroding the second generation of the Ducato version of the supply of the FIAT Ducato (Euro-4) vans, examples of proposals of FIAT Ducato